Wednesday, 25 July 2007

IPO-Initial Public Offer – Should you invest in IPOs? Part-2

This is Part-2 of the article “IPO-Initial Public Offer – Should you invest in IPOs?”. Please read the first part of the article before proceeding with this one.

Let’s carry on the discussion for an excellent company IPO, well perceived by the market. Suppose the IPO was subscribed 8 times, which is quite a mediocre figure for today’s IPO offerings. Retail investors like you and me can apply with a maximum of 1 Lakh Rs. Hence, you apply for 1000 shares at 100 Rs. each making it a total of 1 Lakh. You take this 1 Lakh money out of your bank and for the application time duration, it stays with the IPO company. Usually, by the time you get your money back, it is 2 months time.
Suppose you are one of the lucky ones to get shares allotment, you will get only 1000/8 = 125 shares as the IPO was subscribed 8 times. So you will get 125 shares at the price of 100 Rs. costing you a total of 12,500 Rs. The remaining 87,500 Rs. will be refunded to you. Suppose that on the listing date, the IPO had an excellent listing and the value increased 50% (from 100 to 150 Rs.) You decide to sell your shares and book profit. Compared to the allotment value of 12,500, you will get 18,750 from the sale meaning a clear cut 50% profit. You feel happy that you’ve made 50% profit. But is this the right way to calculate the profit?

The fact is that your calculations are based upon 12,500 Rs. Actually you’ve invested 1 Lakh Rs. for this entire investment. So your calculations should be based upon this 1 Lakh Rs. and not on 12,500. So on the 1 Lakh investment, you made a profit of (1875-12,500 =) 6250 Rs. net. On a percentage basis, this translates to 6.25% only (and NOT 50% as calculated incorrectly). However, the good thing is that this profit has come to you in a short span of time, 1 or a maximum of 2 months.

Now, lets look at your 1 Lakh Rs. that you invested. You take the money out of your bank account so you loose interest on it. For people who don’t know, the banks pay interest only on the MINIMUM amount of money in your bank account, between the 10th and last day of the month. For e.g., if I have 2 Rs. in my bank account of 10 July, and I put in another 1 Lakh on 11 July, I will get interest only on 2 Rs. because the minimum amount that I had between 10th and last day was only 2 Rs.
The entire process starting from IPO subscription application to getting the refund takes around 2 months. Even if it takes 1 month, the above mechanism by the banks to calculate interest ensures that you loose the interest for 2 months.

If you had kept them in the bank, you would have earned the 2 months interest. On 1 Lakh Rs. at an interest rate of 5.5%, this comes to approximately (1 Lakh * 5.5% % 2/12 months =) 920 Rs. approximately. On an investment of 1 Lakh, this is just 0.92% return.

Compare this to the return offered by the best performing IPO over the same 2 month period, the IPO with 6.25% returns figures better than the bank interest return of 0.92%. However, one thing to note here is that we are talking about the best performing IPO making a clear cut 50% hike on the day of listing as compared to the issue price.
Here is the list of uncertainties:
• There may be IPOs which may not be able to show a similar performance.
• There is uncertainty about the allocation of shares to you – the more subscribed an IPO is, the less chances you have for allocation.
• IF you end up applying for an IPO that goes in a loss on the very first day, then your investment is worse than what is there in the bank

In essence, the IPO business is not a one way straightforward route, where anyone can say apply for this IPO, and you are sure to get profits. There is always a tradeoff. Good IPOs will get more subscribed, the less chances you have for allotment and hence less profit on your investment. The mediocre IPOs will get mediocre subscription, so more no. of shares, but the price hike on the day of listing will not be substantial. For bad IPOs, you may get all the shares that you applied for, but there is no guarantee of making profits, sometimes you may even have to book a loss.
Let’s have a look at the probability-value calculations for our example of XYZ Corporation:
• Oversubscription: 8 times
• Your probability of allotment: 1/8 = 12.5%
• Your maximum return = 6.25%
• Net Value = 12.5% * 6.25% = 0.78% only.

For the money in the bank:
• Oversubscription: Not applicable
• Your probability of allotment: 1 = 100%
• Your maximum return = 0.92%
• Net Value = 100% * 0.92% = 0.92% only.

Now compare the two investments, you’ll find that money in the bank gives you better returns. However, mathematics and probability calculations work in its own ways; and it is completely subjective and left at the investor’s discretion to decide whether they should apply for IPOs or not. My point of view is that there is no big real benefit in applying for IPOs, even if they give as high as 50% returns compared to the issue price, because there is a cost and risk attached to it. You loose on the bank interest, and there is a risk of no allotment, or a risk of bad performance of the stock on listing. It’s just a matter of luck, if you end up getting good no. of shares in your IPO application and the stocks gets a fantastic opening on the day of listing. If you are willing to take the risk, take it – just remember that markets are efficient so everything that you see is already there in the subscription multiple and the listing price. You should look at applying through IPO if you really believe in the business of the company and hold on for long term.

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13 comments:

Unknown said...

Nice read.
But like a person invests in a house and is happy to see the investment growing - a novice person invests in shares or MF's and just see's it grow - the problem is - when you keep investing or buying - you are not making money - you make money only by buying and selling continuously - is this true ?

Unknown said...

very nice article, but most of the banks here offer a interest rate of 3 - 3.5% per annum.

Can you also please shed some light on the how price of IPO is decided , the book building process. I observe that when market is doing well, IPO itself are of much higher value than book value per share.

Point00 said...

Awesome article ...
Got a much better picture from your article.

Thanks

Nuks said...

I object on few things. I don't think Banks are giving 5.5% as mentioned by you as interest on savings. And no IPO takes more than a month now a days.

There are lot of good companies coming to public, but because there is a word 'Good', they get oversubscribed by many times and leaving not much onto the retail investors plate.

Aniruddha said...

Now a days any IPO has to finish allotment in stipulated (20days) time and my observation is whatever refunds i got, within 3 weeks max time. in addition to that no bank pays 5.5% interest on savings, max 3.5% is in market. So i think the base assumption of this article is poor.

Thanks
Aniruddha

Unknown said...

Hi Andy,
I have explored a lot of good and famous websites trying to scour investment information but coudn't find a single genuine site like this.

There could be a nicer way to put comments like 'I don't agree with the base assumption' rather than 'I think the base assumption is poor' as it really sounds harsh.

Siva Prasad Manda said...

Hi Shobit,

Your article is good. but there are a few of corrections in it.

You are calculating returns gained thru IPO comparing them with bank return over a 2 month period which is wrong. As per SEBI you should get refund or allotment within 15 days of issue close date. Here is a extract from NSE website.

"As per SEBI guidelines, the Basis of Allotment should be completed with 15
days from the issue close date. As soon as the basis of allotment is
completed, within 2 working days the details of credit to demat account /
allotment advice and despatch of refund order needs to be completed. So an
investor should know in about 15 days time from the closure of issue,
whether shares are allotted to him or not."

So basing on this all your calculations would go wrong.

Aniruddha said...

Hi deepika & Shobhit
I beg your apology for that comment, I have full respect to Shobhit & his work, the only thing which bugs me by reading his articles is he is too much conservative. He always tries to explain how new ways of investment and earning money are not useful. but that also adds imp things to our knowledge no doubt.

Cheers
Andy K

Anonymous said...

Andy,

I dont think Shobhit's approach is so pessimistic that we ppl have to start complaining about it. He is repeatedly telling that the best places to invest is ETF. He is exposing the cost and risk attached to insurance policies and the stupidity we individuals show while buyin such things. From one of your previous comments, I guess you also have bought some policies and were asking Shobhit whether to surrender them and he has replied in detail to your question. Still you are complaining abt the approach. I would say it's ppl like you and me who get robbed off their money in the name investments and tax savings. In the name of risk taking, we end up making many investments - 1 or 2 may be profitable we feel happy. We forget that we have lost significantly in other investments. Shobhit is only trying to reveal the truth: how we buy and invest in a stupid manner and end up actually being in a loss, while it appears to be a profit to us.
I've seeen many ppl posting queries on this blog. Shobhit responds to them in detail. Hardly a few ever put a "ThankYou" comment for his effort.
I really hate this kind of cheap methodology - just get what we want and vanish. Let us atleast show some courtesy by posting a simple thankyou message and clicking on the ad links after we finish reading these wonderful eye-opening and truth revealing articles.

Aniruddha said...

Thanks Vidisha
BTW i have immediately posted a "Thankyou" comment when i got a decent reply from Shobhit.

Anyways whatever is applicable and logical we will take that, other things we will just ignore.

cheers
Aniruddha

Anonymous said...

Below are the interest rates from ICICI Bank site:
7 days to 14 days N.A.
15 days to 29 days 3.75%
30 days to 45 days 4.00%
46 days to 60 days 4.00%
61 days to 90 days 4.00%
91 days to 180 days 6.25%
181 days to 269 days 6.25%
270 days to less than 1 year 6.25%
1 year to 389 days 6.25%

The maximum interest rate is 6.25% which is taxable. At the end of year for Rs. one lac your interest earnings will be 6250. Assuming a tax bracket of 30%, the interest earnings comes to (6250-1875) Rs. 4375. So the interest earning is only 4.375%. For the FY 2006-2007, I had made investments in various IPO and secondary market for an investment amount of Rs 1-1.5 lac. The dividend amount received because of this investment is close Rs.4000/- which is totally tax free. Leave apart the realized and unrealized capital gains made because of this. Also the Short Term Capital Gains tax is 10% and Long Term Capital Gains tax is 0%. This what makes investing in Equities more attractive. Pls consider the tax and dividend amount before investing in Bank FD.

IT Correspondent said...

Hi,

Not sure about ICICI. But this is what my bank is offering:
PERIOD INTEREST RATES ON DOMESTIC DEPOSITS
%
DEPOSITS Interest Rate on Deposits Below Rs 15 lakhs
7 days to 14 days 0
15 days to 45 days 5
46 days to 60 days 5.5
61 days to less than 3 months 5.5
3 months to less than 4 months 6
4 months to less than 6 months 6.15
6 months to less than 9 months 7.25
9 months to less than 1 year 8
1 year to less than 2 years 9.5
2 year to less than 3 years 9
3 Years to less than 5 years 8
5 Years upto 10 years 8

koora said...

At first sight, calculations looks pretty good.
But this calculation is wrong.
• Net Value = 12.5% * 6.25% = 0.78% only.
It should be calculated as 1) 100% investment * 6.25% return on that or as 2) 12.5% allocation * 50% return on that allocation.
In either way, it is 12.5 * 50 = 100 * 6.25 = 6.25%
It is onviously far greater than the savings interest!!!


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