Wednesday, 15 August 2007

Compounded Interest rates: The magic of compounding - Part II

This is part II of the article Compounded Interest rates: The magic of compounding. Please read the first part of this article before proceeding with this one.

Now suppose you decide to invest 10K each year in stock market and you assume that stock markets are giving 10% returns each year. Quite practical assumption (as proven with the historical returns in the last one decade). So here is how your investment will grow:

Year

Prv Year Carryforward

Annual investment

Total

Interest

Net after Interest

1

-

10,000.00

10,000.00

10%

11,000.00

2

11,000.00

10,000.00

21,000.00

10%

23,100.00

3

23,100.00

10,000.00

33,100.00

10%

36,410.00

4

36,410.00

10,000.00

46,410.00

10%

51,051.00

5

51,051.00

10,000.00

61,051.00

10%

67,156.10

6

67,156.10

10,000.00

77,156.10

10%

84,871.71

7

84,871.71

10,000.00

94,871.71

10%

104,358.88

8

104,358.88

10,000.00

114,358.88

10%

125,794.77

9

125,794.77

10,000.00

135,794.77

10%

149,374.25

10

149,374.25

10,000.00

159,374.25

10%

175,311.67

So your investment in equities or stocks, assumed to be earning 10% each year would grow to 175,311 at the end of year 10. During these 10 years, you would invest a total of 100,000, so your return would be approximately 75% for 10 years.

But, is it really true that investments in equities grow like this? No, not at all. There is no certainty about the returns. So let’s be a bit more practical and have some variability in the earned interest rates for our investments.

Year

Prv Year Carryforward

Annual investment

Total

Interest

Net after Interest

1

-

10,000.00

10,000.00

-10%

9,000.00

2

9,000.00

10,000.00

19,000.00

-5%

18,050.00

3

18,050.00

10,000.00

28,050.00

30%

36,465.00

4

36,465.00

10,000.00

46,465.00

-10%

41,818.50

5

41,818.50

10,000.00

51,818.50

-5%

49,227.58

6

49,227.58

10,000.00

59,227.58

40%

82,918.61

7

82,918.61

10,000.00

92,918.61

5%

97,564.54

8

97,564.54

10,000.00

107,564.54

8%

116,169.70

9

116,169.70

10,000.00

126,169.70

-5%

119,861.21

10

119,861.21

10,000.00

129,861.21

10%

142,847.33

What we see above? When there is uncertainty in the returns or interest rates, our total return value changes. Here we are taking the returns as -10%,-5%,30% and so on. Interestingly, we took high positive returns (40%, 30%, 10%) while we took less negative returns (-5% to a maximum negative of -10%). Still the total maturity amount that we can get is 142,847 only, as compared to 175,311 we discussed in previous case assuming steady returns.

Now the above assumptions are not exactly what may be expected in the markets. But this demonstrates how our faulty assumptions can lead to an uncertain maturity amount. Despite taking high returns for few years (40%, 30%, etc.) our total amount is still less than that in the case of steady 10%. It’s just the timing of the returns that matter.

Keeping the same figures for returns, let’s change the order of returns and bring 40% and 30% in year 1 and 2. We have the following:

Year

Prv Year Carryforward

Annual investment

Total

Interest

Net after Interest

1

-

10,000.00

10,000.00

40%

14,000.00

2

14,000.00

10,000.00

24,000.00

30%

31,200.00

3

31,200.00

10,000.00

41,200.00

-10%

37,080.00

4

37,080.00

10,000.00

47,080.00

-5%

44,726.00

5

44,726.00

10,000.00

54,726.00

-10%

49,253.40

6

49,253.40

10,000.00

59,253.40

-5%

56,290.73

7

56,290.73

10,000.00

66,290.73

5%

69,605.27

8

69,605.27

10,000.00

79,605.27

8%

85,973.69

9

85,973.69

10,000.00

95,973.69

-5%

91,175.00

10

91,175.00

10,000.00

101,175.00

10%

111,292.50

All the figures are same, only the order of interest or returns has changed. Yet we see a drastic fall in total maturity value – it has come down to 111,292.

Take another case, now let’s keep 40% and 30% to year 9 and year 10.

Year

Prv Year Carryforward

Annual investment

Total

Interest

Net after Interest

1

-

10,000.00

10,000.00

-10%

9,000.00

2

9,000.00

10,000.00

19,000.00

-5%

18,050.00

3

18,050.00

10,000.00

28,050.00

-10%

25,245.00

4

25,245.00

10,000.00

35,245.00

-5%

33,482.75

5

33,482.75

10,000.00

43,482.75

5%

45,656.89

6

45,656.89

10,000.00

55,656.89

8%

60,109.44

7

60,109.44

10,000.00

70,109.44

-5%

66,603.97

8

66,603.97

10,000.00

76,603.97

10%

84,264.36

9

84,264.36

10,000.00

94,264.36

40%

131,970.11

10

131,970.11

10,000.00

141,970.11

30%

184,561.14

Now the maturity amount has increased to 184,561.

So what we see here is a huge level of uncertainty in terms of returns. Same return values occurring at different times result in a completely different maturity amounts. It is a well known fact that returns from stock markets are not certain, they are variable. Then, what is the point in claiming that we would get 10% year on year return from the market and so my investment will grow to so and so value. It is difficult for anyone to judge how things will work for returns in stock market. Which year will produce what kind of returns – no one knows.

Take the risk, be aware of the variability and uncertainty. Invest only the real “extra money” in the stock market and exit when your target is achieved.

Tomorrow, I’ll publish another article on the difference between monthly and annually compounded interest rates.

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11 comments:

Anonymous said...

Hello Shobhit!

I have been reading your articles regularly..and i must agree that you have opened altogether different angel of looking at investments!!!

I have a query!
My Father in law has kept 1lack ruppes in FD for 3 years ..he takes monthly interest and he has opened the Recurring deposit for the interest componenet for the same period of 3 years
He says by doing this we earn more..
Is this true? assuming that the FD & RD have same/Variable interest rates? Can you explore these situations

Thanks!
Radhika

Anonymous said...

Good one boss.
I have always been wondering about the assumtion of 20% returns from the markets. More so, so called "experts" prove it by showing previous years market returns that were as high as 40%. Your data has shown the realilty.

It's true, we just get carried away by the numbers without getting into the real details.
Thanks a lot for the article

Regards,
Nilesh Chaudhary

IT Correspondent said...

Radhika,

Please reply with exact details. Interest amount earned each month on FD and interest amount on Recurring Account

Anonymous said...

Hello Shobhit..

Here are the details of the FDs which were opened on the same day for the period of 3 years
FD 1
Priniple 50000, Interest Rate 6.5%, Maturity Amnt 50000 : - Monthly Interest was 270.33 Rs which used to get deposited in the Savings
FD 2
Priniple 60000, Interest Rate 6.5%,Maturity Amnt 60000 : - Monthly Interest was 325.33 Rs which used to get deposited in the Savings

Also an RD was opened on the same date for the same period 3 years
Monthly installment = 500 , Interest rate 6.5 and the maturity amoubt was 19913

Thanks
Radhika

IT Correspondent said...

Radhika,

You seem to have an interesting case. Here is the analysis.

Your father is investing for a period of 3 years. He invests the amount he gets from FD into a recurring deposit. So One thing is for sure: He does not need money for 3 years.

Now let's cosider the following:

Case A: Your father invests the entire 50K+60K = 1.1L into Fixed depost for 3 years. My bank gives me 8% interest for 3 year deposit and I select the reinvest option in FD, i.e. instead of taking the interest amount, I reinvest it and make it compound interest account.

So my 1.1 Lakh in 3 years at 8% per annum compounded will grow as follows:
Investment - 110000
1 118,800.00
2 128,304.00
3 138,568.32

At the end of 3 years, I'll get 138, 568 meaning I make 28,568 as profit on my 3 year long investment.

Case B: What your father is doing:

Money earned from FD goes to RD. Total earning from FD = 270+325 = 595
He invests 500 in RD, so saves 95 each month. For 3 years (36 months), 95 becomes 95*36 = 3420 savings
At the end of 3 years, he gets his principle back from FD. From RD he will get a total amount of 19913.
Total of 3420 + 19913 = 23,333

Now you can compare case A and B. A gives you 28568 - 23333 = 5235.32 Rs. better than B. It means that putting your money in straighforward FD would be more beneficial. However, you also get freedom for your 95 rs. which you have for your disposal from case B.But I dont think that it is worth loosing 5235 in the long run.

As a rule of thumb, just remember that investments work better if compounded. The moment you start taking a piece of it at regular intervals, the accumulateed value goes down, making it difficult for money to grow.

Anonymous said...

Thanks Shobhit for the quick reply!

Info-hunter said...

Dear Shobhit,

I have got another comparision with compounded FD.

If somebody invests in Monthly Income Plan Mutual fund like PruICICI MIP - monthly dividend plan.

They usually pay approximately 0.6% each month on your principal. If you opt for dividend reinvestment option, it gets compounded for next month.

I am aware that returns are not guaranteed. Advantage is - you can sell your mutual fund units at any time and come out of it. So you get flexibility as compared to Bank FD.

What's your and other forum-users opinion on this?

IT Correspondent said...

Tejas,

reply me with the exact details and figures and then I'll be able to analyse it further.

Anonymous said...

Hi Shobhit,

Waiting for your next article about monthly and annually compounded interest rates(especially w.r.t home loand interest rate)
Sav

Info-hunter said...

Hi Shobhit,

Say for Example, I invest Rs 25000 in PruICICI MIP - monthly dividend reinvestment option.

The monthly dividend paid is roughly 0.6%. It is not guaranteed, but so far that is the average I have noticed for last few months.

Suppose, you keep it for 3 years. In comparision with Fixed Deposit, you can withdraw at any time.

This might be useful for many visitors to this site, to understand it further.

IT Correspondent said...

Tejas,

It depends upon the purpose of your investment.
If you are fine with the uncertain return and afford the uncertainity, you should go for it.
Else, if you need certain returns, then go for bank FD.
And nobody, other than you, can decide what fits into your needs :-)


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